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Образовательный студенческий форум _ Теория вероятностей _ Вероятность изготовления изделия с браком на данном предприятии равна 0,04

Автор: zhuk_ao 9.10.2009, 19:37

Задача:
Вероятность изготовления изделия с браком на данном предприятии равна 0,04. Перед выпуском изделие подвергается упрощенной проверке, которая в случае бездефектного изделия пропускает его с вероятностью 0,96, а в случае изделия с дефектом – с вероятностью 0,05.
Определить какова вероятность того, что изделие, выдержавшие упрощенную проверку – бракованное?


Вроде простоя задача. Мое решение P = 0.04*0.05 ??? Тогда для чего еще условия в задаче???



Автор: тень 10.10.2009, 5:52

вы определили количество бракованных изделий, прошедших
проверку. А сколько вообще изделий прошло проверку?
Ведь в этом случае вероятность, по определению, отношение бракованных, прошедших
проверку, ко всем прошедшим проверку.

Автор: malkolm 10.10.2009, 8:44

Цитата(тень @ 10.10.2009, 12:52) *

вы определили количество бракованных изделий, прошедших
проверку. А сколько вообще изделий прошло проверку?
Ведь в этом случае вероятность, по определению, отношение бракованных, прошедших
проверку, ко всем прошедшим проверку.

Количество бракованных изделий, прошедших проверку, не только не может быть нецелым числом 0,002, но оно и вообще случайно, определить его нельзя. Как нельзя определить и количество изделий, прошедших проверку. Оно тоже случайно.

Автор: Juliya 10.10.2009, 8:45

Цитата(zhuk_ao @ 9.10.2009, 23:37) *

Задача:
Вероятность изготовления изделия с браком на данном предприятии равна 0,04. Перед выпуском изделие подвергается упрощенной проверке, которая в случае бездефектного изделия пропускает его с вероятностью 0,96, а в случае изделия с дефектом – с вероятностью 0,05.
Определить какова вероятность того, что изделие, выдержавшие упрощенную проверку – бракованное?
Вроде простоя задача. Мое решение P = 0.04*0.05 ??? Тогда для чего еще условия в задаче???

Формулу Байеса посмотрите.
У вас произошло событие А - изделие выдержало упрощенную проверку.
При этом оно могло быть и бракованным (гипотеза Н1), и стандартным (гипотеза Н2). Вас спрашивают апостериорную вероятность, что при том, что изделие прошло проверку, оно было на самом деле бракованным. Р(Н1|A)=?

Автор: zhuk_ao 13.10.2009, 19:45

Цитата(Juliya @ 10.10.2009, 8:45) *

Формулу Байеса посмотрите.
У вас произошло событие А - изделие выдержало упрощенную проверку.
При этом оно могло быть и бракованным (гипотеза Н1), и стандартным (гипотеза Н2). Вас спрашивают апостериорную вероятность, что при том, что изделие прошло проверку, оно было на самом деле бракованным. Р(Н1|A)=?


Тогда по формуле Байеса получается P(Н1|A) = P(H1)*P(A|H1)/P(A)
Я прав?

Автор: malkolm 14.10.2009, 1:38

Правы, если все цифирки в формулу подставите верно. Что получается?

Автор: zhuk_ao 15.10.2009, 19:19

Это то понятно! Но все таки какое решение является правильным? И какое решение этой задачи?
Заранее благодарен!

Автор: Juliya 15.10.2009, 21:13

давайте ваше решение! вам все уже разжевано... цифры за вас подставить?

Автор: zhuk_ao 16.10.2009, 5:37

по формуле Байеса получается P(Н1|A) = P(H1)*P(A|H1)/P(A)
P(H1) = 0,05
P(A) = 0,04
P(A|H1) = ??? - это условная вероятность, но чего? У меня с этой величиной затруднения.

Автор: Juliya 16.10.2009, 8:42

Цитата(zhuk_ao @ 16.10.2009, 9:37) *

по формуле Байеса получается P(Н1|A) = P(H1)*P(A|H1)/P(A)
P(H1) = 0,05
P(A) = 0,04
P(A|H1) = ??? - это условная вероятность, но чего? У меня с этой величиной затруднения.

Вам надо найти вероятность Р(А).
событие А - изделие (неизвестно какое, Вы ж не знаете, какое попалось случайным образом - бракованное или стандартное) выдержало упрощенную проверку.
Без того, что Вы спрашиваете, Вы не могли её найти...
Эта вероятность не дана Вам по условию, её надо было найти по формуле полной вероятности.
А одно из слагаемых в формуле полной вероятности - и есть числитель формулы Байеса.

Автор: zhuk_ao 16.10.2009, 13:26

Тогда получаеться

P(A) = 0.96 * (1-0.04) + 0.05 * 0.04 = 0.9236

P = 0.05*0.04 / 0.9236 = 0.00216

Автор: Juliya 16.10.2009, 16:22

Ну наконец-то! smile.gif разобрались теперь? thumbsup.gif

Автор: zhuk_ao 16.10.2009, 21:33

Цитата(Juliya @ 16.10.2009, 16:22) *

Ну наконец-то! smile.gif разобрались теперь? thumbsup.gif

Спасибо большое за помощь!!! dribble.gif

Автор: Juliya 17.10.2009, 5:30

Пожалуйста! smile.gif

Автор: chocolet1 21.11.2022, 16:46

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